A nice chat with Elis James: Edinburgh Fringe
Andrew Mickel12 August 2011
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Welsh master of the anecdote Elis James has been on the circuit for a few years, and now he's making headway into telly too. He tells SSP about lies on his flyer, apologises to a recent audience of his and lowers his expectations ahead of his Edinburgh show.
Tell us a bit about the show.
It is called Do You Remember The First Time, and it's currently 51 minutes and 35 seconds long, which I'm very happy with. It's a collection of stories of things that have happened to me over the last few years, some things from childhood as well and friends I used to knock about with. This year there's no grand theme, it's just me trying to be as funny as possible in the time I'm allowed.
It seems a tight theme for a show, is it not really tied to that?
The slightly annoying thing with Edinburgh is you have to come with your title more often than not before the show is written. So I have lots of ideas floating around about things I could do or have considered doing, put them all on to a piece of A4 paper, and thought, what's the show most likely to be about. It was about 80% accurate. Although one anecdote on the flyer has been shown in preview after preview not to work.
Are you going to cut it?
I don't know if the bloody things have been printed yet so I don't know.
What was it about?
It's on cycling helmets. If anyone is coming to my show just for the cycling helmet joke they're going to be quite disappointed. It's one of those ideas that I said and people laughed, and the first time I did it it went quite well, but since then it's been proven to be not quite good enough and so it will probably be chopped.
Of course, now people can heckle you about how they don't like it, or if you don't do it, they can heckle you for not doing it.
I like a bit of heckling. If people want to heckle me for not having enough cycle helmet related jokes in my show, that is something that I can offer that very few other comics at Fringe can offer.
It's good to know your potential heckling in advance.
Yeah. And now I've got a week to think of cycling helmet-related putdowns. I've already got 40 to 50 but I'll need about 80 to get through the whole season.
Aside from cycling helmets, how did the preparation for the show go?
Alright. Although I've had some previews in basements in pubs to 15 confused people, some who don't speak English. But the last few have been alright. I think the most important thing before Fringe is to recalibrate your expectations so they are as low as possible, and then once you've done that it shouldn't be too heartbreaking.
Are your expectations at rock bottom yet?
My expectations get a bit lower every year I do Edinburgh. So by 2015 I'll be going up thinking, I won't even be alive by the end of this.
What's the worst thing that's happened at a preview so far?
I had one at the Leicester Square Theatre last week after having had a very bad day and not having eaten, and I thought I'd lost the notebook with the entire show in it. And I wouldn't say I took it out on the audience, but I certainly didn't give it everything. To all the people at the Leicester Square Theatre I apologise because it wasn't a tip top performance.
That's good if the bad show is because of you, rather than the material, at least.
Yeah. Halfway through the show I was thinking, just try harder. And I got my notebook sent back by a kind stranger.
Do you have any Edinburgh fear this year?
Yeah, you'd be a lunatic not to. There are a thousand shows, and also the best comedians on Earth are at the festival. And if don't worry then you've either got an ego the size of Canada, or you're deluded. I'm a better Edinburgh animal than I first went up but it's still daunting.
Are you a drinker or a worker at Edinburgh?
2009 I was a drinker, 2010 I was a worker, this year I'm hoping to combine the two. There'll be the odd medicinal brandy in there somewhere.
EDITING NOTE At this point in the interview, poor Elis was asked quite probably the most rambling and accidentally offensive question that we've managed in the whole of the Edinburgh previews. It was supposed to be about the changing tone of comedy as you get older, but at one point the term 'you seem a lot cleaner' was used. We're very sorry Elis, you seem and always have seemed very clean. Here's the competent answer he managed to pull from the car crash of the whole sorry incident.
I'm now 30. I started when I was 24. While my likes probably haven't changed enormously, I've found my voice and I now know what I'm good at. I'm awful at one-liners, I accept that isn't my strength so I've stopped trying to do it. I think that while the comedy I watch on TV and DVDs is very eclectic, I know what it is I'm best at. As a comedian, when you immerse yourself in something there are things you look for and are impressed with that might not be the same as for normal punters.
The first circuit stand-up I saw was at the Cardiff Glee Club and the standard is very high there. They get the best comics in Britain. And now I get to be one of those comics and go there quite regularly. But when I went there in 2003 as a student, all the little tricks that circuit comics employ, I hadn't seen before and I thought they were absolute geniuses. So as a consequence I think that like if you study English literature, the books you read are different to if you're someone who buys books at airports. Having now been a comic for six years my tastes have gotten slightly more sophisticated, but are at the same time the same. I still go back to the stuff I loved as a teenager – I'm still an enormous fan of Alan Partridge, The Day Today, Spaced.
And what TV have you been doing lately?
I was on Dave's One Night Stand. It went really well and it'll be going out in autumn. And I'm on Rob Brydon on August 5th, so that's a good time for Edinburgh. And I'm in Chris Addison's Show and Tell in September as well; I've heard the show looks great in the edit.
How do you rub along with the TV stuff in the last year?
The stuff I've done I've been happy to do because it's me doing what I do best, stand-up comedy. I have no desire to be a TV presenter or a TV personality. So the TV stuff I've done so far has been a fair reflection of what I do five nights a week.
And any post-Edinburgh plans?
I've had a radio show commissioned on Radio Wales so that needs writing and finished for November, I have another pilot for Radio Wales that we will hear about soon, and lots of irons in the fire that I'm waiting to hear on. I think September to December should be quite exciting.
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